Sometimes people say something and there's a hidden message in their statement, sometimes the person saying it doesn't realize what they are really saying. For example, one day back in high school, we were in a world religions class. My school was a Catholic school, not all the kids were Catholic but most of my friends, neighbours, relatives, enemies, strangers etc were Catholic, so you get the picture. One of my classmates remarked about how many different Protestant religions there were and wondered out loud which one was the best. At this point, without thinking about what I was saying, I answered that Anglicans were because they were the closest to being Catholic. One of my Anglican classmates said, "whoa, whoa, whoa, what are you saying, you can't say we are better because we are almost like you guys, we are our own religion, we're not second rate Catholics! You are not some standard that we have to measure up to"! I realized he was right, I apologized and we laughed about that for months after. I felt embarrassed by my ignorance but at the same time I was glad it happened, it was a good lesson involving stereotypes, judgement and prejudice. It was also a reason to question some of what I absorbed growing up, what I had spewed out that day was not out of the blue, I had heard that thought many times from older people around me.
I am not going to pretend here that I am mister perfect, walking around correcting injustice everywhere. I am a regular schmuck trying to have an open mind about a lot of things, I work at seeing people as people and try to ignore, culture, religion, political views, race etc, as things to divide us but I have my weak moments.
This week, maybe I am wrong but I think I saw an "oops did you realize what you meant"? It happened when I was watching The Voice, a singing contest type show. It's the only tv channel I get lately so I sat down to watch it. The four judges this year work well together and are pretty funny. It happened when one man was singing, the judges can't see who is singing and must only pick based on vocal performance. A white, cowboy type guy came out and began to sing. However surprisingly he sang more of an African American soul/gospel style. Only one judge picked him, my shock came from the reaction of the judge Kelly Clarkson. When she turned around she went into complete shock at seeing this white guy. She said I can't believe you are white, I actually understand that part and it was a little funny. It's what she began saying next that shocked me, she kept implying that if she only knew, she would have picked him. I was thinking "WOW, that is so wrong"! In other words, when she thought a black man was singing well, she had no interest in choosing him for her team. However when she realized that it was actually a white man that had been singing, she kept repeating over and over how much she regretted not choosing him. Maybe I am off here, no one else seems to have picked up on that. I don't think Kelly Clarkson is a racist but I think (like I did with the Anglican remark) that a lot of people hold prejudice views without even knowing it. I'm not saying this to judge or point fingers, it's just something that people, including me, can work on. I should say here that even though she talks none stop like an auctioneer and can be slightly annoying, Clarkson is funny and is probably a really nice person in real life. I just felt I had a glimpse of some of the problems people in minority groups face, problems I didn't even realize were out there and from people who should have been more aware.
Wednesday, March 7, 2018
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You weren't wrong. Anglicans really are like second-rate Catholics.
Growing up, I was taught in Catholic school that all the other religions were bad and their followers were going to hell. What would Jesus say?
Mr Lurker, since we are on the topic of religion, I just want to point out that you are a little devil.
That reminds me of career day back in high school and the Mother Superior asked us about choosing a career. This one girl who was always trouble said she wanted to become a prostitute! Well poor Mother Superior passed out on the spot. After we put cold cloths on her face she came to. She asked the same girl over again just to make sure what she had heard. Well again the girl said she wanted to be a prostitute but this time Mother Superior just laughed and apologized, she said to the girl, "oh sorry for all the fuss I caused but I thought you said you wanted to be protestant".
Rjjs, in elementary school one of the older teachers hinted at that but it wasn't really pushed as a belief on us. I think Jesus would say I shouldn't have used that example lol.
No, not second-rate, Anglicans are Catholic Lite. Lite only because they don't have their own Post Office. It's all in the branding!
I feel qualified to speak. Mother was Catholic, father raised by Christian Scientists. I was confirmed Presbyterian (now former Presbyterian) because they had the best youth group in walking distance from home. I have four sisters. Two Catholic and one Episcopalian, which is Anglican Lite, one undefined Protestant. It's no wonder I'm so confused.
Mike, the message is the same, it's only the buildings that are different. Lol, you are always qualified to speak on this blog. I am a little confused, I was shocked that a person basically said on tv that they didn't pick someone because they were black; however people got hung up on my example instead, I must have presented the post wrong.
You presented the post fine; it's just that one of your commenters derailed the discussion. Maybe it is time to be more discerning when hiring your commenters.
See also: Warnock's dilemma.
I agree with your point that it is kind of upsetting to pick a white person who sounds black over a black person who sounds black. It would be worth asking whether Clarkson would have picked a black person who sounds white in the same way. That would distinguish novelty from race bias.
Mr Lurker, well what would you suggest I do to said commenter?
I was thinking the same thing and I was wondering, was she interested in the novelty of a white cowboy sounding like a black gospel singer, was that her angle. Still if the voice was good enough to win, it shouldn't have mattered the skin colour. One of the other judges picked a black woman who wants to sing country, he was excited to try and get some diversity into county music so that is a little bit similar; however he didn't know what she looked like before he picked her so his thinking is not tainted.
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